A Duel of Fame

A Duel of Fame

posted Thursday, 18 February 2010

 Transcribed from an off-the-cuff challenge to a ‘duel of fame’ between Rhys Hughes and DFL HERE.

RH: Here’s a duel proposition for you: I’ll choose myself as my own champion (because I’m an individualist)… Anyone who wishes to oppose me can nominate themselves.
Here are the duel terms: 50 years from now, who will be more famous?
The one who is the most famous is the winner.

RH: So, any takers? I’m in the arena right now…

DFL: I’m happy to take you up on that, Rhys. You may still be alive by then, but I shall be dead. So I shall have a flying start.

RH: Done.
As I’m the challenger, it’s your right to choose the yardstick by which the ‘fame’ is to be judged. My suggestion is: Penguin Modern Classics. But it’s your call.

DFL: OK, Penguin Modern Classics or its equivalent if the former doesn’t exist or a better yardstick emerges (i.e. a replacement yardstick as deemed by a consensus of current RCMBers left alive at that time in 2060).

DFL: And if neither of us is famous by that yardstick, the duel is null immortalis.

RH: I accept Penguin Modern Classics.
50 years from now we must return to see who has won. The winner of the duel has won the dispute (we don’t have a dispute but we can create one later). Destiny always allows the person who is in the right to win a duel.
If we aren’t in a position to return 50 years from now, our reputations must return on our behalf.

DFL: OK, Rhys. (Did that cross with my previous post – if so I need your agreement to that correlative rider).

RH: Des, once a challenge has been issued and the challengee has agreed weapon’s and the challenger has confirmed, I think it’s too late to change. But I’ll check for you. One moment. I use Wilson.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/6085

DFL: Does it cover crossed posts prior to the agreement being finalised?

RH: Chapter III, Rule 2… “The old notion that the party challenged, was authorized to name the time, place, distance and weapon, has been long since exploded; nor would a man of chivalric honor use such a right, if he possessed it. The time must be as soon as practicable, the place such as had ordinarily been used where the parties are, the distance usual, and the weapons that which is most generally used, which, in this State, is the pistol.”
Interpreting this in the light of our modern situation (where pistol = Penguin Modern Classics) I would say it’s definitely too late to change now.

Hubert: Just don’t shoot each other in the back.

DFL: I am not changing anything, other than offering up at least a possibility that neither of us will become famous on the agreed criteria. Or both of us will!
I think we are in agreement. Good luck.

RH: Destiny has already chosen me for fame, Des. But it might have chosen you too, and that’s the factor I’m unaware of (which makes it a proper duel rather than a firing squad).
The question isn’t whether I’ll be famous 50 years from now (destiny has said yes, I will) but whether you will be MORE famous than me. If you are, you have won.

DFL: Well, anyway, good luck.
(If we’re both in Penguin Modern Classics, I assume we add up the respective wordage in there and the one with the biggest wins the duel).

RH: Well, that depends. We have a choice of wordage, forewords or blurbs. Do you want to choose formally?

DFL: It’ll make it easier for others to have a scientific basis (i.e. wordage) to use rather than a subjective one (assessing forewords or blurbs).
I say this in the full knowledge that your works are invariably bigger in size than mine.
(I am also knowingly abandoning any weight thrown into the balance of Fame provided by the legacy of ‘Nemonymous’).

RH: Accepted, Des, we’ll go for wordage.

 Thursday, 18 February 2010 5:38 pm

Fascinating this is the first ‘duel of fame’ in world history (according to Google).
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Thursday, 18 February 2010 6:05 pm

Well other than some Spanish bullfight mentioned by Hemingway that I cannot find details about. The Rhys / DFL duel is certainly the first duel ever that takes its winner into territory that is retrocausal – beyond even “to the death”.
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Tuesday, 16 March 2010 2:14 pm :: http://weirdmonger.blog-city.com/weird_w

At link immediately above, is my possible first step in winning this duel. 😉
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Tuesday, 16 March 2010 3:17 pm :: http://bob-lock.blogspot.com/

Are those Penguins loaded with full-metal jacket or dumdums?
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Thursday, 24 June 2010 7:42 pm :: http://weirdmonger.blog-city.com/mahut_v

Cf. Isner vs Mahut See link immediately above.
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Thursday, 1 July 2010 1:00 pm

Reference to this Duel of Fame is made in print within the new book NULL IMMORTALIS.

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  1. 10 OCT 2019

    Jim Burns
    I would concede that pun tennis is not the most effective weapon in my limited armoury. I’d take you on at duelling canvases at 12 paces though…….

    Des Lewis
    Rhys and I already have for some years ‘A Duel of Fame’ on the go. With strict rules.

    Jim Burns
    Fame…a fickle and cruel mistress indeed….

    Rhys Hughes
    I concede defeat, Des. I no longer believe that fame is possible

    Des Lewis
    I won!

    Jim Burns
    Is Des Lewis more famous than you then?

    Rhys Hughes
    I have no idea, Jim.
    But the human race is coming to an end in about 50 years from now… Which makes the concept of “fame” irrelevant

    Des Lewis
    he just conceded defeat, so I must be! Surprises me, though.

    Rhys Hughes
    Des, yes you have won. Enjoy!

    Jim Burns
    A bit of fame in the few years left to me will do. Particularly if it’s accompanied by some dosh.

    Rhys Hughes
    What is dosh really, Jim? Health is all that matters, and women!
    Fitness and amour!

    Jim Burns
    at my age I’m not overly bothered with muscles and I have pretty good health all things considered. I shall admire women until the very end and indeed adore them in as appropriate a way as is demanded by my age and station in life.
    But I quite like at 71 some creature comforts…and that often requires a bit more than my bank balance permits me. However, one perseveres…..and keeps trying!

    Des Lewis
    I’m 71, too, Jim. 🙂

    Jim Burns
    fun isn’t it?

    Rhys Hughes
    Yes, one must keep trying always
    I am aware that at my age — 53 — I am already slowing down. A hike I did in the Mendips last month was harder than I was expecting it to be. The days of walking 50KM with a heavy pack and not batting an eyelash are going
    This has come as something of a shock!

    Des Lewis
    yes!

    Jim Burns
    well sometimes maybe. Right now nursing a cripplingly painful knee acquired clambering up a steep rock climb in Cornwall a couple of weeks ago. I would have gone up like a mountain goat once upon a time. Ignored my limits I’m afraid. The bionic hip is doing well. The sciatica is bloody awful. But otherwise…well I’m still alive and have a smile on my face. Most of the time.

    Rhys Hughes
    That steep rock climb would once have been a dream, and now it’s an ordeal, and I understand this perfectly

    Des Lewis
    Survived so far the prostate radiotherapy in 2015 and I relish real-time reviewing of books, almost a new religion!

    Rhys Hughes
    Well, Des, I regard you as one of the best book reviewers of all time, and frankly I don’t believe that anyone even need bother to try to compete with you on that.

    Des Lewis
    thanks so much Rhys. It’s a synergy I hope between between me and each author, often with miraculous (literally) results.

    Rhys Hughes
    The overall project is truly extraordinary

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